This is what Dr. Ron Rosedale created while he is helping the Indians (in India).


Now where can I get me some Paneer?

Looks good with some variation for my personal preferences and eating to my meter. I notice he gave coconut oil and eggs the green light. More and more, I think Rosedale Diet is the closest to what will suit me based on my own personal preferences.

Either that or Paleo without the so called safe starches. I never crave sweets, but I like veggies. That's weird I know, but I would pass up a chocolate bar for some broccoli any time given the choice. They both have antioxidants, but being the weirdo I am, I prefer the taste of broccoli over chocolate.

If you live near a Whole Foods Market, they usually carry Paneer. Also, here is a link for a recipe if you want to make your own. Indian cooking does the most marvelous things with spices too. I never dreamed one could eat Indian food on low carb. I guess we obviously just have to pass on the Naan which honesty now that I am off of wheat/gluten (thanks to Dr. William Davis) doesn't appeal to me any more any way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ1Vfi2Bypg

I'm pretty sure that the whey that gets discarded has a lot of the carbs so I'm not sure how to figure the carbs though. It's basically an Indian cheese. Could also use coconut flour instead of flour for some of the suggestions.

I may try this and if it works, put it in the recipe section, but first I have to figure out what the carbs are for the Paneer without the whey. Might fry some in coconut oil too.

Thanks for the video! Hey we can be Indian Rosedale Diet partners! I live in Tulsa which might be a big enough city for an Indian store, it does have Indian restaurants and they likely make their own paneer.

On that pdf, Rosedale says paneer is high protein.

Why he has chicken I don't know. Hindu's would rather die than let flesh pass their lips. But maybe some do. Muslim Indians eat flesh, so maybe it is for them.

I ordered a used copy off amazon yesterday. I start this morning, no saturated fat for 3 weeks. I have canned fish, chicken tenders, and of course eggs. Might go pescatarian (fish eggs paneer) in a few weeks.

ANYONE KNOW HOW TO COPY A PDF TO HAVE IT PUT HERE TO READ WITHOUT GOING TO THE LINK?


Here is paneer facts, seriously low carb
http://www.carbgenie.com/food/paneer-ful...JPLNWerunM

Out of curiosity, what's the "no saturated fat for 3 weeks" for? I read through the PDF, and it seems like the only thing he advocates an abundance of IS saturated fat.

Oh, I read more on his site then just the pdf. He says the conversion to fat burning, he says sat fat is harder for the body to learn to burn, so olive oil, nuts avo etc are to be used for the FIRST 3 weeks thereafter one can add beef and butter and stuff. I think he allows coconut oil right from the start. Wish I had the book so I could look it up, no telling where I got this information! lol, Sorry, next week the book should be here. But I'm fairly sure I'm right.

I think Texasgoldengirl has the book, maybe she will chime in.

Oh, hey Texas, does he allow for fermented tofu in his book? I hate tofu, but tried one without a coagulant, and it was called fermented tofu, and the Asians at the Asian market piled their cart high with it, so I thought what the heck I'll try it. Oh it is the best cheesey tasting thing. But that was months ago. Would love to get that again!. Made in OKC so local business.

I did a word search on kindle for the word tofu and found nothing, then I did a search for the word soy and other than warning people against using soy oil and mentioning soy sauce this is all I could find.

Quote:With the exception of black soybeans, most legumes are not a great source of protein and are high in carbohydrate. (Black soybeans are a type of soybean that is especially high in fiber and protein, and are sold in bulk or cooked in cans at health food stores and many supermarkets.) Stick to small beans (the more skin, the more fiber) and limit your intake of legumes to no more than three meals a week. (For a list of acceptable legumes, see page 108.) If you are diabetic or have heart or vascular disease, you should avoid most legumes. I do allow small amounts of hummus (made out of chickpeas) on the meal plan. Hummus also contains olive oil and garlic, which helps offset some of the bad carbohydrates. Nevertheless, I don’t want you to gorge on it; use it sparingly as a condiment.

Colman, Carol; Rosedale, Ron (2009-10-13). The Rosedale Diet (Kindle Locations 1321-1322). Harper Collins, Inc.. Kindle Edition.

Problem with using soy from what I have read (elsewhere...not in Rosedale book) is any you buy in the U.S. have been genetically modified and can also cause problems with the thyroid which is the last thing one needs when trying to lose weight so I personally would recommend using soy sparingly if at all.

Rosedale actually recommends nuts (except for peanuts) though as a source of protein AND FAT especially since they are high in good fats. If you want to do this as a vegetarian, replacing meat such as chicken or beef with nuts to some degree might work...keeping in mind that you should also have some dairy or eggs that day to make sure you get compete proteins because nuts are not complete proteins.

Quote:On the Rosedale Diet, you can eat nuts such as almonds, walnuts, cashews and nut butters, avocados (yes, on my diet you can eat guacamole), fatty fish, non grain-fed beef, omega-3 enriched eggs, and high quality vegetable oils. Our bodies thrive on good fat. Our metabolism needs good fat to burn bad fat.

Colman, Carol; Rosedale, Ron (2009-10-13). The Rosedale Diet (Kindle Locations 151-153). Harper Collins, Inc.. Kindle Edition.

Most low carbers say nuts stall them cuz they can't eat just a few. But I find with unsalted raw nuts, that is not a problem plus you could even make nut sauces to put on kale or greens. I'm going to put a recipe for walnut sauce in the recipe section. Also, I believe there is a difference between eating plenty of meat and then munching on nuts while watching television versus replacing some of the meat in the diet with nuts. I even find salted nuts are okay as a meat replacement in a meal.

The trick I believe for vegetarian low carb eating must be to really up the fat like crazy because the fat fills one up so the carbs can still be kept low due to decreased appetite. One day when I was experimenting with low carb vegetarian eating, all I ate for one entire meal was 3 ounces of almonds. Another meal was a huge spinach and mushroom salad with cashew tamari dressing (olive oil in the dressing and lots of it) with hard boiled eggs added to the spinach salad. Then I ate another 3 ounces of almonds for dinner.

Hey I found the answer to the no sat fat for 3 weeks here, and thought I'd follow up to you. It is in the first paragraph, but I thought it best to post the whole thing.

I apologize for having to give only a short clarification and reply at the moment.. I am currently on a flight with just my iPad... As far as saturated fat..it has been quite clearly shown that the ease of burning saturated fats is directly correlated with chain length. I don't have citations with me but I believe that I had posted some for a prior question or comment on this site. (Long chain)saturated fats have also long been shown to impair insulin sensitivity.. See articles by Storlein. However, these studies like most all nutrition studies are done on high carb adapted individuals. It has been shown by me and others that it takes several weeks to adapt well to a very low (non fiber) carb, higher fat diet, especially when protein is also kept in moderation, therefore reducing alternate gluconeogenic substrates. This is why I recommend reduced long chain sat fats for the first few weeks. It seems to make the all important transition easier MCTs are great always.

My diet arose almost 2 decades ago to best treat diabetics and CV patients as models for accelerated aging. it also became very clear to me then that we all have nearly the same metebolic problems that they do. we all have some degree of insulin and leptin resistance, some degree of vascular damage, etc.; we all age the same way, and what would be best for them would be best for us all, not just for diabetes, heart and vascular disease, excess fat loss, and even cancer, but to treat what I feel very robust science is showing to be a major root that helps to determine the rate of aging itself...nutrient sensing hormones tying into allocation of energy and genetic expression of maintenance and repair vs. cellular reproduction. After testing many hundreds of insulins and leptins, I have found my diet to be the best at keeping these major nutrient sensing hormones low.

As far as protein, I saw quite clearly when I started treating diabetics,that high protein would not lower blood glucose near as much as higher fat. Later, it has appeared clear that a high protein diet would elevate the other major nutrient sensor, mTOR, inhibiting benefits of caloric restriction, and possibly contributing to cancer. I introduced this concept in a talk I gave perhaps now over 5 years ago... http://www.meandmydiabetes.com/2010/05/0...-the-ugly/

I believe that what I have been recommending now for 2 decades, a low non-fiber carbohydrate, higher fat, moderate protein to meet needs only diet, is being shown to be the best and healthiest diet. Newer science including that of leptin, mTOR, and the biology of aging only has served to support this. The other original low carb approaches have all seemed to modify their original recommendations to more approach mine.

I am being told "to turn off all electronic devices" for our landing, so I'll perhaps comment more later. Thanks for the interest.
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Oh, here is a pdf The Leptin Connection the key to long term healthy weight loss by Ron Rosedale.

RE Soy and Tofu. I remember reading about a study of Japanese men and the men who had the highest tofu consumption had the highest rate of Alzheimer's dementia, too. I think it's easier to find fermented tofu in Japan, so that probably doesn't make enough of a difference. I'd give tofu a wide berth (I like tofu, myself, but I don't eat it anymore).

"Out of curiosity, what's the "no saturated fat for 3 weeks" for? I read through the PDF, and it seems like the only thing he advocates an abundance of IS saturated fat."

Jimmy asked him about this on a Living La Vida Low Carb interview and he said that during the time your body is becoming "fat adapted", dietary sat fat will compete with body fat for preferential burning. After you become fat adapted, it's no longer an issue. Not sure there's evidence for this, but it's what he said.

On that pdf, Rosedale says paneer is high protein.

Why he has chicken I don't know. Hindu's would rather die than let flesh pass their lips. But maybe some do. Muslim Indians eat flesh, so maybe it is for them.

I ordered a used copy off amazon yesterday. I start this morning, no saturated fat for 3 weeks. I have canned fish, chicken tenders, and of course eggs. Might go pescatarian (fish eggs paneer) in a few weeks.

ANYONE KNOW HOW TO COPY A PDF TO HAVE IT PUT HERE TO READ WITHOUT GOING TO THE LINK?


Here is paneer facts, seriously low carb
http://www.carbgenie.com/food/paneer-ful...JPLNWerunM
This isn't a vegetarian diet. Vegetarians don't eat anything with a face and chickens definitely have faces.

The diet was designed for people in India (who for obvious reasons have a high incidence of diabetes). Some do eat meat...I'm specifically thinking for instance of Tandoori Chicken that I have seen in some Indian restaurants.

He has included enough vegetarian protein sources to make it workable for vegetarians, but also lists chicken or meat for those who do eat meat. It's the best advice I've seen so far for anyone who wants to eat vegetarian low carb though since he doesn't emphasize legumes, rice and a lot of soy or tofu.

I feel that tofu is a safer food than foul american dairy any day. If there was Kellygold mozzerella I'd be all over that! But for me even imported, I can't overdo on dairy, not everyday.

But tofu, I feel is okay everyday because the Okinawans eat it. And with Rosedales protein of about 50 grams for me, it's no big deal if eating eggs, and nuts and tofu to get an ez 50. Nuts count toward protein, I think. I am STILL waiting for the book!

And you'd NEVER get the Indians to give up their dairy, no way, but I think their cows are giving healthy milk. I'd eat paneer all day long there.

You are probably right. I've heard that cows in India give a completely different milk than Cows here. Look into A1 vs A2 milk. Apparently, many people with lactose intolerance can actually tolerate the milk that doesn't come from American cows.

I agree about the milk thing especially since where I live one can only get pasteurized milk. Can get raw cheese here in Texas, but boy is it expensive compared to other cheese.

Do you have a Trader Joe's near you? They have some raw milk cheeses there and they didn't seem to be any more expensive than their other cheeses.

Nope. Don't have a Trader Joes here in Austin, TX. Wish we did. I hear a lot of good things about it. I plan on moving back to Calif in a year or so and they have a lot of them there so it's good to know their raw cheese is reasonable.

They just opened a Trader Joe in San Antonio, TX. Maybe Austin will not be too far behind.

They just opened a Trader Joe in San Antonio, TX. Maybe Austin will not be too far behind.
Really? That is very good news. I would have thought Austin would have had one by now with so many health conscious people. I know that store would do well here.

They just opened a Trader Joe in San Antonio, TX. Maybe Austin will not be too far behind.
Austin will be getting a Trader Joe's according to the TJ's website.